Ago

[Italiamia]

grasso, I certainly an understand your displeasure. As a Roma fan I view Totti much differently than the rest of the players. First, he is certainly the finest player ever to put on the uniform and the fact that he is Roman seals his place as Roma's greatest ever player. He is the best I have ever seen at Roma in my lifetime.

He is the symbol of the the club, the city and the fans. As far as favorite players go, there is Totti and then there is everyone else. Totti is Totti. He has a higher status in Rome and he is more than a player. He is probably everyone's favorite but that does an injustice to some of our other players. What I am trying to say is that Totti is in a different category from a Roman's point of view. It's like saying Caesar was the greatest Emperor. There were other great rulers of Roma, but Caesar is Caesar. I hold no player in God-like status but I guess that is what I am trying to say about Totti. Do you all undertand.

Please indulge me. It's like saying that the Apostles of Jesus were in the same category as Jesus. Peter was great, but he is in a different category so you simply cannot make the comparison. This is how a Roma fan views Totti. It is certainly how I viewed Ago Di Bartolomei, and he was not as talented as Totti or even his contemporary Bruno Conti. But he was held in the higher esteem although I wish Totti had Ago's humility and virtues. I wish he had Bruno Conti's dispostion. But in death, Ago became even more revered and he is viewed as a God himself. Or a prophet at least.

The last time Romans took torches to the streets was when Ago was sent to Milan. I can tell you as one of those fans and both Dino Viola that fuck Nils Liedholm were marked for death. Then the treatment of Ago after he retired was unforgivable which is why I damn Dino Viola in his grave and I wish a long and painful death for Liedholm.

Sorry for the rant.

[Italiamia]

i thought Grasso was Steve no??

anyways, i noticed that Di Ba's son took part in the kick-off, how old is he?? kind of cool that Giuly etches his debut and first goal on our 80th anniversary. as did Montella with his last goal for Roma........ for now.

That's Ago. I don't know where this 'Di Ba' shit came from. OOOO AGOSTINO AGO AGO AGOSTINO GOLLLLLLLLLLLL

Luca Di Bartolomei is around 22 I think. Are there any pictures of Ago's wife Marisa. I wanted to name my daughter Marisa, but, the wife claimed first option as I named the boys.

Maybe I am being a bit harsh, but to have Dino Viola's wife Flora out there with Ago's son would have sent me into a rage. They should have stoned her for her life long association with that fuck who sent Ago out of Roma. Christ, does anyone have a picture of her. I have not seen that bitch since 1986. I also see that Franco Tancredi came back to Rome for this festa. Wonderful, Judas back from the dead. I guess he is looking for work. I am not in a forgiving mood tonight, sorry.


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[maro]

Avvocato, I thought I'd cheekily split off these two messages to give a tiny bit of momentum to an Ago thread. My idea is that, so long as this forum is happily up and running, we may have a place to collect and retain and protect posts like the moving eulogy to Ago you posted two (or three?) years ago and that not-quite-so-good article you tracked down last year or the year before as a substitute. Clearly, too, we can get Shield or Tuna or others to add various Ago pics. Perhaps this will be the page which most fully approximates to a shrine. Again, none of us have too much time to devote to such a thing, but perhaps one night after a particularly good bottle or three of vino after another matriculation or graduation or somesuch you will return to your computer, suitably nostalgic and inspired, and the page will begin a process of slow accretion.

[maro]

Oh, and, of course, you're in charge of this thread so if you want to change its title etc. etc. please do so.

[pocari_fenrir]

sorry about the "Di Ba" stuff then, i just go by what i read in articles. you think you can tell us about how he played like?? any similarities to players, just makes it easier for me (at least) to understand what an awesome player he was (dedication aside). can you also tell me of how glorious our squad was back in the 80s??

[Italiamia]

sorry about the "Di Ba" stuff then, i just go by what i read in articles. you think you can tell us about how he played like?? any similarities to players, just makes it easier for me (at least) to understand what an awesome player he was (dedication aside). can you also tell me of how glorious our squad was back in the 80s??

I'm sorry Pocari, I did not mean to indict you. I know that he has been referred to as 'Diba' in many articles. I suppose some folks referred to him as such but I just never heard it, never. He was Ago. He has also been referred to as "Ninnaò", because if any Roma player was lazy or "sleeping" on the pitch, he would blast them, and "Caligola", for his desire and grit. When I have some time and I get in the mood I will post some things on him.

I am still calling out Shield to find that post I made last year. He even posted it on the Addict.

[pocari_fenrir]

oh don't worry, im not offended or anything. i wouldn't expect anything less from a man who knew the Roma of the 80s. if my dad was a fan, he would blast me for that shit too. but living in Hong Kong, all you're exposed to is EPL and Champions League final teams (like the G-14). im the oddball that just decided to start paying attention in uni and grew to appreciate Roma and it's history. being witness to their success is an awesome feeling compared to supporting other clubs. there is uncertainty yet passion with Roma.

[Italiamia]

oh don't worry, im not offended or anything. i wouldn't expect anything less from a man who knew the Roma of the 80s. if my dad was a fan, he would blast me for that shit too. but living in Hong Kong, all you're exposed to is EPL and Champions League final teams (like the G-14). im the oddball that just decided to start paying attention in uni and grew to appreciate Roma and it's history. being witness to their success is an awesome feeling compared to supporting other clubs. there is uncertainty yet passion with Roma.

Well, yes, I was intimately familiar with those great teams in the first half of the 1980's, but remember, I left Italy, and the Curva Sud, after the 1980 season. So, I really did not see them play live all too often. I would get back every year to catch the last few weeks of the season and I was at the Olimpico for the second scudetto. When I temporarily moved back to Italy after receiving my University degree, I lived in Florence for 2 years. I did go to Roma games but not every home game as it was impossible because of the type of work that I was doing at that time. I saw more Fiorentina games during those 2 years actually when they had this really talented player, Roberto Baggio, maybe you have heard of him.

[RomaShield27]

I am still calling out Shield to find that post I made last year. He even posted it on the Addict.

I remember it well Italiamia, but unfortunatley I can't find it. I think it was over on the Addict alright, but that was before the site was completly wiped and lost all posts and threads. Sorry man. Perhaps some night when the inspiration grips you you can add more.

[pocari_fenrir]

yah, i remember watching Baggio during the 98 WC France. hell i remember when 94 WC USA broke out, all my friends were talking about it, but no one was able to watch, we were at the age where we slept early and just felt tired from running like silly mofos during recesses. but 98 WC France was the one where i managed to see games. names like R. Baggio, Vieri, Cafu, R. Carlos, Ronaldo, Rivaldo, Batistuta, The Bald Algerian would be the talk of the town and everyone would support Brazil and Italy due to their great history and talent of players. growing up, it becamse common to watch Brazil and i started liking Cafu. when you're a kid, you're not that smart enough to know who is who and Cafu showed up real easily with that captain's armband in 2002. i still remember those ugly grey away jerseys Brazil had on with Ronaldinho making his debut. club football was harder for me to understand. i never even knew it existed but Beckham was making headlines with Man U and his marriage to Victoria. never really hit me until he joined Real Madrid. after that, when i was bored in Uni Res, i would find a TV and watch anything, only thing was Italian soccer. i started to get hooked and every odd time i caught a TLN feed, it was Roma or Juventus playing cept i liked watching Roma more with Totti.

[p_maldini_3]

pocari, thats an awesome story; but the thing i took from it was how everybody is exposed to football in the most unique manners, its simply fascinating.

[pocari_fenrir]

thanks Maldini

oh funny thing as well........ despite growing up in a Catholic school system, my mom is Buddhist and my dad does give fuck-all about religion. this being so, i ended up being exposed to it all and it's actually the same Buddhist sect that Roberto Baggio and Sebastian Frey is a part of. ive never met him but my friend happened to be in Japan as a Canadian member and got to witness Baggio getting an award or such, becoming the Italian ambassador of the organization.

[Italiamia]

Wonderful pocari. I would only respectfully ask that you do not mention the serpent face, bald Algerian in the same sentence as the great Baggio.

As far as Agostino De Bartolomei is concerned, I don't think any Roma player received more respect in the entire history of the club. He commanded respect in the most humble way immaginable. He gained this respect not only because of his leadership on the pitch, but also how he behaved off of the pitch. He never asked for it believe me. There was just a way about him that was immediately noticeable. He did not actually lead with words. He was a man of few words. But when he spoke, it was always about something important, and people listened. It was really something to behold. Bruno Conti, while beloved by Roma fans, and a God in his own right among the tifosi, deferred to Ago. If Ago was captain with a Cassano on the team, I am not sure Cassano would have his front teeth. If Ago were here today, I really do not think he would like the modern game of calcio in terms of the behavior of these spoiled, millionaire players. No, I don't think he would like it at all.

[pocari_fenrir]

sweet i can easily agree to the bald Algerian thing. talented as he may be, he never seemed humble to me. im not saying that all players have to be humble and grateful of their situations but thinking that you're above the team is a huge no-no for me. this kind of attitude differentiates from that whole team unity which is something i could imagine Ago would be fighting hard for and Spalletti is trying to maintain. that was a great reference with Cassano losing his front teeth, too bad that players feel like they're entitled to the world today. this being said, i would hate to lose another player because of this *looking at Mancini* but both sides of the deal should be within reason, not greed and lies *looking at Chivu*.

[RomaShield27]

A nice little picture I stumbled across:

[Italiamia]

I was just thinking about Ago and I think it is appropriate to put this here. There is some nice video footage. I just saw the kickoff for the 80th anniversary celebration where Luca Di Bartolomei came onto the field. Jesus does he look like his father. It's bloody scary.


http://asrtalenti.altervista.org/index. ... ediche.htm

[marco]

auguri ago:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iryYvsWF0R4&eurl=http:

[RomaShield27]

Any more contributions or thoughts on the great Ago?

[Carlo Romano]

I've only glanced through this thread until now.

As I've mentioned before, living in the UK, we did well to see any tv coverage at all of il calcio in pre-satellite/cable tv days. When we did get something of Roma, it was a rare treat for me. I depended mostly on getting newspapers from the local Italian delis like Giannini, Fazzi, Da Prato, or Capaldi for my information.

There were AM radio broadcasts, certainly, but they drifted in and out most irritatingly due to atmospherics. Often I'd lose large portions of a game through adverse "skip" conditions...

Anyway, my point is simply that as far as I can recall, the nick DiBa was more from Di Bartolomei's days at Milan than at Roma. I think it was as much of a media generated title as anything else...

My somewhat patchy sources of info in those days didn't give much attention to those sorts of details. Up until the late 1980's, communications in the average home were really bloody primitive, looking back! Satellite tv until 1989 in Britain was a toy of the rich and even then only an odd few as not only did you need a huge 3 mtr or more dish, you needed a place to put it and not before you'd got planning permission from the local council...

[RomaShield27]

Ago's anniversary on Sunday, 30 May.

http://solleviamoci.wordpress.com/2009/ ... la-moglie-«ago-e-qui-mi-da-forza»/