Internazionale Main Thread III

[juventino_italiano]

Internazionale Main Thread III





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Pandev got the next touch in the centet right? I've seen worse.

Anyways, no injuries and now the CL. Let's see what happens..

Fiorentina vs Bayern was much worse

[juventino_italiano]

Will Balotelli play any time soon?

[Dejan-Stankovic]

Not by the looks of things.

[juventino_italiano]

Not by the looks of things.

That's ashame...i hope he'll learn his lesson...
he really is fun to watch...i mean skills wise not his unsporting behaviour...
and he can really add to your team

[arthurfonzarelli]

Probably because Inter is racist.

[juventino_italiano]

Probably because Inter is racist.

It's ok....Juve's racist because some fan slapped Zebina...
Zebina was slapped because of race...Not because he's garbage...

But then again, Juve fans are psycho

[RomaShield27]

lol. Zebina deserves to be slapped just for being Zebina, regardless of colour or what club he plays for.

[juventino_italiano]

lol. Zebina deserves to be slapped just for being Zebina, regardless of colour or what club he plays for.

I was being sarcastic....and yes....anyone here would happily smack Zebina around

[maro]

For posteriors (Lomba's, in particular):
p_maldini_3[ Delete ] they have a new coach and a complete new system of playing.
Bagg10[ Delete ] Chelsea is not in transition.
juventino_italiano[ Delete ] did i say it isnt a transition"??? i'm answering maro's question about a comparative transition
Lombardiamia[ Delete ] Talk to you guys another time, sorry.
Lombardiamia[ Delete ] J_I, do you believe that changing at least 5/11 of your squad isnt a transition? I believe it is. We are in our first real year from the ball from back to Ibra, to something much more linear & smooth. We've added what could possibly be added in one year. Next year should be the completion of a 2 year project
juventino_italiano[ Delete ] 1) Real Madrid, 2) Chelsea, 3) Milan, 3.5) Inter & Man U 4) Arsenal, 5) Liverpuke, 6) Barcelona if i may rank them my own way
juventino_italiano[ Delete ] Chelsea, and Madrid are the most in transition....while i'd place Inter, Milan and Man U pretty even and perhaps Arsenal, Liverpuke then Barca
Lombardiamia[ Delete ] This is why I asked you to post in the Inter thread Maro. Right now I just have time to have a glimpse to what's going on, but by the time I get time to reply, all this conversation in the SB will be long gone because of some stupid argument on politics..
juventino_italiano[ Delete ] them*
juventino_italiano[ Delete ] well maybe Barca and Liverfekkin'wankscum are below then
juventino_italiano[ Delete ] in that sense i'd say Inter are the least in transition....
maro[ Delete ] Chelski have changed coach, formation, style of play; ManUre sold their 'star' player and so have had to change their style of play; Real bought and sold a ridiculous number of players; Arsenal are such a young side that it's hard not to say they're still 'in transition' towards maturity; Liverpuke and Barca have sold Alonso and Eto'o, respectively, which have quite seriously affected the balance of both sides and their style of play.
maro[ Delete ] Lomba and Cajun insist that Inter are a side "in transition." I take their point - it has a fair bit of merit to it; on the other hand, I wonder what that really means when you look at some of the other biggest guns in Europe.
juventino_italiano[ Delete ] they would definitely be a side in transition, but given their failures this season, i imagine the "transition" itself was not a quality one
maro[ Delete ] Given that Real signed a new fullback, a new centre-back, a new striker, a new central midfielder, and two new attacking midfielders over the summer, as well as bringing in a new coach, presumably they'd be fairly high up the list however one draws it?
maro[ Delete ] I don't know. What do you think constitutes a "side in transition" - change of coach; changes of players; change of formation; youth of squad?
juventino_italiano[ Delete ] please givew your definition of transitional
juventino_italiano[ Delete ] least trans. quality
maro[ Delete ] In what sense? Least transitional or most?
juventino_italiano[ Delete ] I'd place Milan and Real Madrid at the bottom of that list
maro[ Delete ] Actually, let's add Bayern, Liverpuke, and Milan to that list.
maro[ Delete ] Sure, Lomba. I wonder as a little exercise we can ask everyone to rank these teams in order of their 'transitional' quality: Inter, Real, Barca, Manure, Chelski, Arsenal.

[maro]

I understand what you gentlemen are saying about Inter being a work in progress, of course. There's no doubt that you've changed key personnel this season and are trying to play a different kind of way from in the past. I would start with two objections, though: the first is that there are different degrees of being "in transition" and signing players with proven Serie A experience and players of the very highest calibre proven on the biggest European and International stages (Lucio and Eto'o, certainly, Sneijder perhaps not to the same degree, but I don't think anyone thought he was a really a 'gamble' of any kind) is likely to make bedding in quicker rather than slower. And in such terms it'd be interesting to work through that 'exercise' I suggested above and observe how in one form or another pretty much every top team in Europe has made a big change of one kind or another this season. And then the second point - and the more important one - is that using "being in transition" as an excuse or explanation of any kind is hard to swallow when the alternative is not having the money to bring in reinforcements so that sides who aren't perhaps quite so radically 'in transition', like Roma, say, or Milan, or Liverpuke, or Chelski (though that any of those is less in transition might be contested anyway) aren't in transition because they're ostensibly in decline. If Roma do win the Scudetto this season - which I should think is still very unlikely - then it will be because Inter have lost it, despite having an incomparably stronger squad.

[maro]

maro[ Delete ] Surely that would have been the answer at the beginning of the season - that "continuity" was merely a reflection of a failure to remedy ever more disabling weaknesses.
Bagg10[ Delete ] or if you were to go and buy Felipe Melo, Diego, Grosso, and Cannavaro.
Lupa[ Delete ] lol maro if we managed to bring in just one of those names, I would have to agree with the divine intervention on behalf of Roma.
maro[ Delete ] And why would you say Roma aren't in transition - because we're in decline?
Bagg10[ Delete ] haha, exactly
maro[ Delete ] I have to confess, though, that were we to get a new owner over the summer and bring in Messi, Dani Alves, and Torres I'd find it hard to keep a straightface going into the season claiming we were a side in transition.
Bagg10[ Delete ] they're still in first place, and in the CL.
maro[ Delete ] Okay, flagg - that's precisely why I posed that question.
p_maldini_3[ Delete ] and the answer 'refs' doesnt count.
p_maldini_3[ Delete ] how is this for a question, in the last 9 league games, inter have won only twice, lost twice and drawn 5. why?
Bagg10[ Delete ] But I would consider Inter in more of a transition than Roma. But their transition has actually suited them better than what they had with Ibra.
maro[ Delete ] Probably, mk. That maro's usually pretty on the money.
maro[ Delete ] Of course, flagg - that's where this conversation has come from, indeed: Lomba and Cajun using "in transition" as an excuse.
SPqR[ Delete ] generally I agree bagg. In the case of Roma, however, it couldn't be more obvious.
p_maldini_3[ Delete ] was it maro who talking about the different interpretations that taddei and ronaldinho give to a left sided attacking midfielder.
maro[ Delete ] You might say the same sort of thing about the transfer of any player, flagg (that they're versatile etc.)
Bagg10[ Delete ] I just feel like the 'in transition' is thrown around a lot as an excuse for failure.
Bagg10[ Delete ] Mouldy, the difference in formation and tactics, isnt as big as you make it out to be. These players are pretty versatile, and the change isnt that big.
maro[ Delete ] Pizarro and DDR's roles under Ranieri have also been quite different.
SPqR[ Delete ] I don't recall seeing Menez in the middle of the park under Spal.
maro[ Delete ] Most often we've played the rombo or a 4-3-1-2. We've played a true 4-4-2 a few times too.
maro[ Delete ] Not many.
Bagg10[ Delete ] you tell me...
maro[ Delete ] How many times have we played 4-2-3-1 under Ranieri, flagg?
p_maldini_3[ Delete ] system is not just the numbers when you say "4-3-3". mourinho's 4-3-3 is waaay different than ancelotti's 4-3-3.
Bagg10[ Delete ] you guys havent been using the same 4-2-3-1 formation the past few years?
maro[ Delete ] Neither Roma nor Chelski "use the same system," Flagg.
maro[ Delete ] That, really, is the point of the question, Flagg - a new coach and a new style of play; a host of new players; a new player around whom the team is fundamentally based; a team based on young players who will need more time to develop together. Any and all of those.
Bagg10[ Delete ] I don't see how a change in coach, who uses the same system is a transition
SPqR[ Delete ] target striker like Toni IS the difference between this year and the last few, bagg.
p_maldini_3[ Delete ] juve would be considered in transition.
Bagg10[ Delete ] the only transition Roma have made is their coach. They've had the same players for like 3-4 years now.
p_maldini_3[ Delete ] either change in coach or multiple/important player changes.
p_maldini_3[ Delete ] don't forget about toni.
Bagg10[ Delete ] Can someone define 'in transition' for me.
SPqR[ Delete ] right, not to mention the coach. I don't believe in throwing the term transition around loosely, but it surely fits in this case.
SPqR[ Delete ] I think so bagg. If this title is won, it certainly can be said that it had less to do with Totti than a few other players...that would not have been the case for however many years before this year
maro[ Delete ] Absolutely, flagg. Think back to three weeks into the season and ask yourself that question again.
p_maldini_3[ Delete ] i would think so.
Bagg10[ Delete ] Would Roma be considered 'in transition' as well mk?
maro[ Delete ] About Manure.
p_maldini_3[ Delete ] do you mean my comment about chelsea or man.utd?
maro[ Delete ] That's not quite true, mk. They've got a pretty fine squad there most of which is intact from seasons gone by.
p_maldini_3[ Delete ] how much credit do we give to man.utd's transition considering that is all based upon one great player, rooney?
p_maldini_3[ Delete ] i think chelsea's loss of their main fullbacks, cashley cole and boswinga, 'derailed' their system. ancelotti has a boner for fullbacks, and if they don't work his whole system flunks.
maro[ Delete ] mk has a pretty strong argument here. Still, let's run with Bagg's line - then presumably it'd be fair to say that Chelski aren't "in transition" in large part because they're in decline, not having re-inforced as they really needed to over the summer?
p_maldini_3[ Delete ] that is fucked up.
p_maldini_3[ Delete ] http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100329/ap_ ... _fbi_raids
p_maldini_3[ Delete ] same body, different head. a new coach changes everything.
Bagg10[ Delete ] It's been the same team since before Mou left.

[Totally FRANK]

How can you get through this difficult situation regarding Mario Balotelli? The papers said a meeting was planned.
"I don't know about this meeting. Balotelli certainly trained this morning and it's up to the coach to decide if he should be called up for this match or wait for the next one. From what I know, I don't think the situation hasn't changed much."

But do Inter need Balotelli for the championship and Champions League matches?
"Certainly. He's part of the team."

Are you worried about the English and Spanish interest in José Mourinho?
"They say these things every year. We will see."

[Dejan-Stankovic]

"Sure, Lomba. I wonder as a little exercise we can ask everyone to rank these teams in order of their 'transitional' quality: Inter, Real, Barca, Manure, Chelski, Arsenal. Actually, let's add Bayern, Liverpuke, and Milan to that list."

I don't think you can even mildly compare what's happening between and of those team (minus Real and maybe Bayern) and Inter. Madrid and Inter have basically done the exact same thing; overhauled nearly the entirety of the playing staff.

Barca - Same coach for 1 season and only Ibra as a starter while adding a few squad players, same game plan. Though he had a loaded first team when he got there.
Arsenal - Same coach for 15 seasons (?) and Vermaelen, Arshavin as new starters, same game plan.
Man Utd - Same coach for 100 season (?) and Valencia as a starter, game plan changed to exclude Ronaldo.
Liverfekkin'wankscum - Same coach for 7 seasons (?) and barely any new starters in their team, same game plan.
Chelsea - New coach, no new players.

*same game plan - not exactly the same but very similar.

Inter - Same coach for 2 1/2 seasons, 6 new starters + game style which is drastically different from last season.
Real - 1st season of the new coach, about 8 new starters + a new game style.

If you want to use what you described as transitional points, we have every single one of them covered off while all the other teams only have varying aspects. They do what every team does at the end of the season - tweak the team and/or system. Ours is basically a revolution compared to that. I still accept the point about bringing in established players to "transition" a team, but it is what it is.

[Dejan-Stankovic]

Inter Milan tipped to secure Bari pair Ranocchia, Bonucci this week

Former Napoli chief Pierpaolo Marino expects Inter Milan to secure the futures of Bari pair Andrea Ranocchia and Leonardo Bonucci.

Marino believes Inter will seek to sign Ranocchia immediately.

He told TMW: "In the coming days, Inter will continue their negotiations with Bari and Genoa about signing Ranocchia, possibly to a two year contract.

"They will also look to gain an option on Bonucci."

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It would be great to sign Ranocchia now and get the option on Bonucci. Didn't Bonucci play at RB or LB or something with us as well instead of CB? Anyway, hopefully things get done.

[Messinterista]

Inter Milan tipped to secure Bari pair Ranocchia, Bonucci this week

Former Napoli chief Pierpaolo Marino expects Inter Milan to secure the futures of Bari pair Andrea Ranocchia and Leonardo Bonucci.

Marino believes Inter will seek to sign Ranocchia immediately.

He told TMW: "In the coming days, Inter will continue their negotiations with Bari and Genoa about signing Ranocchia, possibly to a two year contract.

"They will also look to gain an option on Bonucci."

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It would be great to sign Ranocchia now and get the option on Bonucci. Didn't Bonucci play at RB or LB or something with us as well instead of CB? Anyway, hopefully things get done.

At Bari he has become first choice in central defence under head coach Giampiero Ventura, showing a composed yet strong and effective defensive style. He has formed an extremely strong partnership with Andrea Ranocchia which has been so effective that, as of the midway point in the 2009–10 season, Bari have the second best defensive record in Serie A. The strong partnership ended after Ranocchia injured in mid-season and ruled out from rest of the fixture.

From... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leonardo_Bonucci

So essentially we are getting him back? Nice.

[maro]

Cajun, playing with Ibra through the middle changes Barca's style of play considerably. Playing without Ronaldo has changed ManUre's style of play almost totally. Chelski's pattern of play is completely different under a new coach. Liverpuke sold Alonso, who was absolutely central to their style of play and also brought in Glenda Johnson who allows them to play in a quite different way down the right. The average age of the Arsenal side is about 11 and a half; given the age of their players and the fact that they've lost players like Adebayor and Toure it seems to me inconceivable that they not be considered a team still building, a long way from the finished product, and therefore "in transition." Basing a side newly around players like Lucio, Eto'o, and Milito is surely not conspicuously more transitional than basing one around Song, and Ramsey and Bendtner etc. etc.

[Dejan-Stankovic]

We'll have to agree to disagree then mary. I think that you will see what I mean of a finished transition next season when we'll finish the squad overhaul that started when Mou first came.

[Lombardiamia]

I understand what you gentlemen are saying about Inter being a work in progress, of course. There's no doubt that you've changed key personnel this season and are trying to play a different kind of way from in the past. I would start with two objections, though: the first is that there are different degrees of being "in transition" and signing players with proven Serie A experience and players of the very highest calibre proven on the biggest European and International stages (Lucio and Eto'o, certainly, Sneijder perhaps not to the same degree, but I don't think anyone thought he was a really a 'gamble' of any kind) is likely to make bedding in quicker rather than slower. And in such terms it'd be interesting to work through that 'exercise' I suggested above and observe how in one form or another pretty much every top team in Europe has made a big change of one kind or another this season. And then the second point - and the more important one - is that using "being in transition" as an excuse or explanation of any kind is hard to swallow when the alternative is not having the money to bring in reinforcements so that sides who aren't perhaps quite so radically 'in transition', like Roma, say, or Milan, or Liverpuke, or Chelski (though that any of those is less in transition might be contested anyway) aren't in transition because they're ostensibly in decline. If Roma do win the Scudetto this season - which I should think is still very unlikely - then it will be because Inter have lost it, despite having an incomparably stronger squad.

If we dont agree on certain basic points, I believe there would be no way we could come to an agreement.
First of all, we have to consider this season as the first season of our squad under transition. Last year, Mou failed all transfers and in October had to shift back to Inter's old guards & tactics.
Second, this 'transition' is based on Mou staying here at least another year.
Third, It is a useless exercise to compare squads and determine who is most in transition. Nobody said we were the most team in transition, but rather a team in transition.
Fourth, not necessarily does this transition bring automatic success. Of course that is the point of such transition, but it doesnt mean we'll rule the world...

If we can already agree to those points, it would already be a good start.

Now to why we consider our team in transition period.

Last year, as we said Mou made some big errors with regards to new faces, but meantime he started restructuring our training grounds and staff premises in order to really optimize our club's resources. The main change was that to have reconstruct the training grounds for the senior squad & the primavera one next to each other so that he and his staff could visualize not only the senior player's training & improvements but also that of the primavera. He very recently said that had he had this sort of training grounds before, he would have never released Bonucci & Biabiany for example. So apart from us continuosly investing in young talent for the Primavera (this is not a very recent change, but started about 3 years ago. This is to be considered an evolution too however.
Also as of last year, Mou insisted that we copy Barca's & Ajax's accademies, in a sense that all our junior teams (primavera, U18, U16 etc..) start using the same system the senior team plays, in order to have them ready for the senior squad when needed. This is something which both Barca & Ajax do effectively to fully optimize their younger talents & investments.
Now to this year. Everything started practically with Ibra's departure. We all know how a team with a player like Ibra upfront functions much differently from one who plays the likes of Milito & Eto'o. Cut the long passes from back to front, have a defence line who should ideally play at least 10-15m more forward than what they used to (this is still not a completed process), have a more technical midfield who can 'feed' a physically not strong forward line. Start the game from the back with Lucio or Maicon and have the midfield help the build up instead of simply jumping it directly. Now I dont beleive that this sort of change, in personnel & mentality can be completed in just a couple of months. Add to that that we have a problem in midfield which presumably will be addressed next summer. Statistically, during this past second leg of the Serie A (11 games) we havent got a single goal from a midfielder. Motta & Sneijder are good at 'feeding' the ball, but there are no incursions from the midfield. It was not humanly possible to suffice this request last summer too. Apart from that we will invest on a natural left back and then start to lower the team's age. Unfortunately in Italy there is no time to wait for success, so that is why for this year we had to get proven material. We need to have an already winning team before we can really lower the average age.
There could be many other issues to discuss, but I'm a bit out of time today.

[Dejan-Stankovic]

Nice post Lomba.

So how do you guys think we'll line up vs CSKA without Motta and Lucio? We've got a couple of options we could use;

1. Cesar; Maicon, Samuel, Cordoba, Chivu; Zanetti, Cambiasso, Stankovic; Sneijder; Eto'o, Milito
2. Cesar; Maicon, Samuel, Chivu/Cordoba, Zanetti; Stankovic, Cambiasso; Sneijder; Eto'o, Milito, Pandev

Tbh, I dont even know what formation CSKA play but I'd go with the second one. The midfield in the first formation really worries me on how poor it is and I can't even see us getting scoring opportunities with that. At least with the second one, we're fresh off winning vs Chelsea with it and psychologically, that could be a big difference for us. Also, it will be a major advantage just to win this game so we can play on the counter over there which is where we seem to be at our most dangerous. But Stankovic's form is really worrying for me atm and this could really mess us up.

[Dejan-Stankovic]

CSKA Moscow Star Keisuke Honda Doubtful For Inter Champions League Clash

An ankle injury could keep the Japanese playmaker out against Inter...

Russian powerhouse CSKA Moscow have received some disturbing news from the treatment table in the build-up to their Champions League clash against Italian champions Inter.

Head coach Leonid Slutsky may have to make do without Japanese playmaker Keisuke Honda after the highly rated midfielder picked up an ankle injury.

According to a report by ANSA, the former VVV star missed Monday's regular training session due to the knock and it remains to be seen whether Honda will be match fit in time for the game against Inter.

The absence of Honda would be a huge blow for the Moscow side. The Japanese star has immediately developed into an important first team member at CSKA since joining the Russians last January and scored a vital goal against Sevilla in the previous round of the Champions League.